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    September 25, 2012
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[ giggles ] [ male announcer ] with the people who matter mos i love you grandpa! i love you grandma! now y're a real fisherman. alnor ma thanks so much for watching. chris matthews is next. tno-nothings. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthewsn ingt. mertite bone-headed poll numbers just in. i'm not talking about the arithmetic. i'm talking about what it says about some voters out there, especially on the right. catch this. a third of conservative republicans are convinced that the president is a muslim. a third. less than half believe in globa 2 oin , r
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example, believed he was born in the u.s. the rest are to one degree or the other birthers. and just to make you feel a little better about that and let you ow how low information these voters are on the right, catch this. two-thirdsf reblicans say there were weapons of mass destructionnrahe o tr g the in 2003. do they have amnesia? have they been buried in their basements the last nine years? what explains this many people being so out to lunch they don't even remember how "w," remember him, he was president, blew his whole reason for sending our troops in there in the first ace. w pee seless. this may explain why romney is in trouble, people think his party is out of it. joining me is howard fineman and joe klein of t times. let's take a look at the two polls. the two key states ohio and cog e in post," president obama has a four-point lead over mitt romney in florida. four points down there in a very tough state. 51%,/47% for obama. in ohio, the president's lead is
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a more comfortable eight points. that's at howard fineman, thank you for joining us, and joe klein of "time" magazine. thank you. it strikes me the numbers i put out tonight, and i'm going to ge all through them, shows a party obliterated to reality. she don't sm to watch t ghatenn w we no the h realized there was no weapons of mass destruction in iraq. that was the whole reality we lived in, the disillusionment on the right, the confusion in the middle, the anger on the left. they didn't even experience that period of time? >> well, chris, to put a charitably, i think the publican party today is the noalpa thas sense of it having kind of marinated in their world view down in tampa at the republican convention. they think of a simpler world, a world where the verities they believin still apply in simple terms. the fact is it's a complex world. rnnt, if the whole thing
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is i don't want government, i don't believe in government, then you aren't going to participate in the reality of economic life for one in america today. th're the nostalgia party. they would like to believe that theilitary was correct, that dick cheney was correctbout on mdect thoureto believe in that -- >> but what evidence do they have that we were right about iraq and wmd? >> they don't. what i'm saying i they want to will themselves into believing authority figures who used to be respected around the country and noon. joe klein, thank you for joining us. sometimes we can simply disagree by looking at the same picture. when you look at something so dem mon straly true, we dn't stction, fair enough, they got it wrong. people in the middle say these guys don't know what they're talking about, people on the left say we never thought that was the reason for the war if the first place, but to not know it, what do you make of these numbers? democrats in this new poll, 63%
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stiothere was no wnsma 15% say there were. okay. 1 out of 6 democrats think there might have been. republicans however, 63% of republicans say, yes, there were weapons of mass destruction, almost two-thirds. how do weccount for this misstatement of fact? >> well, i think this is a tribe he psuasive powers of rush limbaugh and fox news and the drudge report and the rest of that echo chamber. you don't hear rushalking about weapons of mass destruction anymore, and i saw this pie chart on anew sullivan's blogaymeg % of the mentions of global warming on fox news knock it down as a rl phenomenon. so when you have people living in this hermetically sealed world that does not resemble reality, they wind up believing some very wed tngs. >> we wheeny starts making regular trips across the polar ice cap because there's no more polar ice cap,
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do you think they might notice? has anybody seen the pictures of greenland the other day? there's no snow. >> i agree with joe. i age that, number one, the repuicanare eosia y. 're the simplicity party. they're the -- >> are they lud indicts, anti-science? >> i think if they're convinced, as many of them are, that science is being used as a conspiracy to take away their deen- m and take away their shamovie, it's called "planet of the apes" and it wasn't a comedy pup. >>e watch fox, we listen to it, that's the message that you get. that the scientists and t aus cni t us of our freedom. >> so it's basically a fear, it's a fear of everything. take a look at this number though. the infamous birth question, was the president born in the united states. under our constitution he has t be born here to be prid
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rlipryvoters, 37% they do not think barack obama was born here. just 2 in 5 say the president was american born and, therefore, a legitimate president. when you ask the president's religion, this gets scary. a majority of all voters don't take him atis word. just 49%. this is all vote, sa he' st w i what he says he is. and 30% of republicans and 34% of conservative republicans say obama is a muslim. simple as that. here is the point. these bad numbers, saying twice wrg, tse 34%,cet therurears ago. when he came in people took him at face value. i'm american born, viously. i got a whole history, it was announced when i was born in honolulu, in all the papers there, and i am what i am, a christian. i go to this church that caused him a lot of trouble. do we remember that? he went to a chur, jeremiah wright's church that got him in all the trouble. why did we change from that to
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this -- they're all becoming donald trumps, mini trumps. >> my ex lplanation f it is fe. nasn study of genealogical history. it's fear. and among a certain part of this population, this country, which you showed there on the charts, they thinkhat president obama is on a mission to rob the american people of their hawhil bin laden. >> yes. >> that's why he's almost destroyed now al qaeda, which you said he would do. >> i'm just saying that's their world view, and the fear expresses itself in the idea that this man must be someone else. he must be another. he must be aidden person. he m have an aa ts hidden for some reason. >> yo, i want to point out some things republicans are watching. i just want to point out a couple things. your stock market, 401(k) has doubled. not because of obama, but he certain didn't get in the way of it doubling. he didn't have some plan to bring down wa street
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it's over 13,500 now. these are realities. this should have some role in people's reality. >> the housing market is coming back. consumer debt levels are at all-time lows but i agree with ho. esopo u moffr we want our america back. well, the america that they're living in now is increasingly minority and it's all these different kind of people, you know, the mini marts are -- the cliche is every mini mart is run by a south asian. there are altheseatin pyd mini markets, actually. i would say the new arrivals in our country are very good at working 24/7 and stocking their store with great, fresh produce that's very healthy for people in many cases. >> the south asians and the reans, the east asians have beenodel arica iman they're terrific. >> i don't think they have a crime factor at all in most cases. >> these people look at their grandchildren and see them
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dating people of different races and they see them becoming gay me of them, and then they look at the president of the united ates who doesn't have the good it ais middle name is hussei geqed, he's a muslim. >> i like the way you phrased it, becoming gay. >> announcing th are gay. joe' point is it's a more complicated world than it s. degraphically in terms of all the different ethnic groups, in new york city i think there are 140 or 150 languages spoken in the schools. at the republicanonion wpie and andy griffith and that was a wonderful thing on tv even though it wasn't real at the time either, and that -- i don't mean t -- it sounds condescending, i'm not trying to be that way. i wish lif werepl >>he fr isegitate. the fear is real.
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>> i wish my life were simpler. we love the '50s. >> i did too, but a lot of people had no reason to love the 50s. didn't get the civil rights bill through until the '60s. s l jens a familiar figure 60 years ago. barack obama, of course, has an exotic name, an freezing rain name. he's not an unusual fellow. these aren't strange personities. leon panetta is the most common, gu -eoouould have met 100 years ago. is the democratic party that new age that they scare people. maybe i'm part of at reality. i don't sethem as strange at all. >> it goes back to the propaganda factor. it's not just that rush and fox and those guys y sething, 's that weayhe oer th if say that barack obama isn't a muslim, that must not be true because we're the liberal media, we're the mnstream media, and nothing we can say -- we say can be trusted.
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>> i have called an anti-posture for years. just saying no to everything. thank you, guys. thin youaile it itsyologal. anyway, howard fineman and joe klein, thank you. coming up, it's not ignorance it's cycle. could barack obama be the democrats ronald reagan. there's a big thought. it ces from andrew sullivan and the front cover of news week. ansform american politics in the next four years if he gets the next four years. world leaders seek his guidance. presidential candidates don't dare reject his invitations. bill clinton has become president of the world, but today mitt romney also is there genuflting at the clin no w he wants to win the presidency this time, his name is barack obama, and next time her name is hillary rodham clinton. there's been no shortage of reaction to what happened at the end of last night seahawks/packe ga. what could me wisconsin governor scottalkeecpr un hoout lousy reffing? we'll be right back. >> the lone receiver to the
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left. the packers playing at the goal line. as wilson struggles to keep it alive. the game's final play. it's a wilson lob to the end zone which is fumbled bte wi jennings simultaneous. who has it? who did they give it to? touchdown! >> two different signals by two different refs. one result. the anti-union pro-packers governor of wisconsin, scott walker, wants t union reps bstitute refs gave that catch and game to seattle. finally let me finish with this republican plan to keep plaques from voting. i'm not going to stop talking about it. it's a shame that the party of lincoln is involved in a multistate effort to keep people who are freed by lincoln from acfor litics. but how am i going to fund it? and i have to find a way to manage my cash flow better. [ female announcer ] our wells fargo bankers are here to listen, offer guidance and provide you with options tailored to your business.
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say it's better. yet when asked which candidate is better for the economy, 43% say esident obama, 34%- on 34y ro. put that one together, those sets of numbers. we'll be right back. yet when aed which candidate [ hornonks ]
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presiding over a civil rights revolution, and then enjoying the fruits of the recovery. with me is andrew sullivan, also theeth tor of the dish and also joining is ari mel bor, a correspondent for theation. gentlemen, tha u. ouai fon you and your big brain, andrew, my friend, because it's hard for me to figure out what "newsweek" has been doing the last few months because every front cover is different from the other one. one trashes oba. this one brilliantly ihink celebrates the potential of a certain electn result. give mr e, h got into this idea of even thinking about the next four years given all our focus here at "hardball" and elsewhere on what's going to happen in six weeks. >> bause he, the president, has been thinking about it for four years already, and if you ve seen he's always played a long game, and part of that long game was always re-election. most presidents deal with the middle east in t last two years. he started his first go.
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he inherited the worst recession but he phed through health care reform at the very begiing. w tng would take time, and so he set it up in a way to enable the big payoff to come later, which i a high-risk/high-reward strategy. on the debt, of cose, the republicans went nuts and ns g bin ts, from getti a but, again, heet up the debt ceilingiasco so we have sequestration coming down december 31st and the end of the bush taxuts if nothing happens. and even jim demint has now conceded that if oba win th thellaviv taxes. once the republicans give on taxes, we could have the grand bargain if, if, i think, obama wins with a big enough mar begin. >> let's get to that quote by senator dent fso 'rt g to save our defense unless we go along with the president's wishes to raise
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taxes on small business. it's not a good choice. i would never support it, but there are enough republicans i think who are so afraid of defense cuts that they would probab give in. let me go to ari. thanornis, a my sense is as well as andrew has laid this out, how obama is this visionary and can think three or four years ahead, he must have also counted on an economic recovery kickingn with a lot more steam than we've had which jeopardizes getting to that second term. we have an 8%-plusunemployment rate that looks like it's going to be facing us in the face the day people vote. >> i think that's right. they had hoped the economy would rebound more. they inherited a 750 million per month loss rate and have improved aotromhat a an dennpiece, but they have a longer ways to go. i think the other interesting comparison to ronald reagan is there's two ronald reagans. there was the ronald reagan who worked with democrats, who made tax reform a priority will you also raised taxes, who signed
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the federal law tt requires orplenye ils have t treat the e.r. ronald reagan worked across the aisle on a lot of things and then there's the ron 23458d reagan we hear about the gop primary debates, a conservative ideologue at never turn. if you talk about the first reagan, obama has tried to foow tt pa, b had lessooperation on offer from the congress. gee didn't -- >> chris, can i make two points about that. >> he didn't want to keep -- >> sorry. that reagan ended his first term obama currently has.n reagan's recession was also a fairly induced recession in order to ring inflation out of the economy, and it happened and began on his watch obama inherited a financial collapse recession which of their nature lasts longer, think that helps explain the difference. if you look at the gallup poll of approval of reagan and obama,
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u will see they're the closest of any two presidents in the last 50 yrs except that reagan sank lower in his fst term than oma ever di he w d t 35%. and obama's highs are less high. so it's still a struggle, i agree, but i think what obama has been able to do is say, look, i'm not giving you sugar high morni in america. i'm telling you we're gritt back to thesi, rld america, and i know it's tough, but that is finally a different kind omessage. people realize that reagan's recovery was the sugar high, and we still had to deal with its debt. >> we, the question i have -- first of all, i'm not sure you're right because paul vor anthair by jimmy carter and he began squeezing the money supply under carter, i know about it, i was there. >> but the recession started in '81. >> you call the misy index. the strongest element is the unemployment rate up around 8.3%. inatiodoesn'helpet
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d ofolalf it isn't around. nobody gives you credit for not having inflation. they give you anger if you have -- >> but they were predicting it. every right wing economist was predictinghyperinflation by now because of debt. we have a probl of deflatio but i'm just sing if -- pple doacth ty accept he's done the best he can and what's interesting in the polls is that they know it's tough, but they think he's got the better plan to fix it. >> let's talk about the two ings we argue about on this show. let's start with immigration. how do you get through a reay good immigration bill that has both progress i- terms of letting people come in the country, recognizing who is already in the country, allowing people to come in on shorter periods of time. how do you put it all on per and stop the under the table stuff? you do it the way reagan did it g b pties together and you figure it out. and you do it in the congress. and the reason we haven't done it is because the republicans have blocked it.
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and that's the other thing. if republicans lose the latino votehis time by the kind of ine s ow e are many people in the republican party h karl rove chief among them, jeb bush chief among them, who understands if they alienate this constituency permanently they're headed for minority status rever, regional minority white party. and the ndat. so i think there's enough of a group of people, especially in the senate, and possibly even in the house, to actually move immigration forward, and i think obama should make it the first prioty. >> i'd like to see some teeth involved with it because the didim and the teeth fell out. are you confident as andrew is that there can be some big deal on spending and revens that the republicans will come to the table -- they' belly up and say, damn it, obama won twice in a row, we have to deal with him or will they go to the right having lost a lot of moderates the nexecrh eiocomi up, and
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say, no, we're going to continue with the korched earth policy of bringing this guy down. if we can't keep him from being elected a couple times, we're still going to destroy his legacy. >> i think it depends on the margin. i think if it's considered on r pren i we post late that hypothetical, then they say, well, the only problem was paul ryan should have been first on the ticket, should have been more conservative, and you know that argument. i think if it's a blowout and these are all ifs, you have a gold water type reassessment, then, yes, a, you have a desire toanufture oue pe i tarty like a tet cruz that the president can go out and talk to and say let's be reasonable. you're a tea party guy, but let's do something that people like your parents can have a path to citizenship and -- >> that's a good idea. i'm for that. thank you, gentlemen. andrew sullivan, amazing piece. i ll read itevalim. thank you. >> ari mel ber, thank you. it took a wild ending for last night's game to get wisconsin governor scott walker to finally side with union
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fid isro a l nit, of course, even from the political people. president obama said earlier today he wants the permanent refs to come back, but a few nuggets from the gop as well. wisconsin governor scott walker, no friend of labor, tweeted, quote, after catching a few hours of sleep, the packers game still just as painful,ith thsh rn ea refs. paul ryan also a wisconsinite and a packers fan agreed. >> i mean, give me a break. it is time to get the real refs, d y knoat it reminds me of president obama and the economy. if you can't get it right, it's time to get out. i half think that these refs work part time for the obama administrationnd the budget office. they see a debt crisis and they just ignore and protend it didn't even ppen nnerand losers, and they don't even do that very well. >> what a cheap exploitation of something people really care about. anyway, what are the anti-union
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guys like walker and ryan trying to get the refs back on the field. b sh writing. he was reading it off the lectern. next the story of chris christie and a reporter. the first one of the season zwraen way. at oon event yesterday one reporter pressed christie on his state's full foreclosureaw itsci >> do you have a follow-up question? >> who who are you by the way? >> jim. >> from where? >> channel 7. i'm not sure that rings true. >> nt question. >> this is an urgent -- >> next questi. >> w wld you b i >> please. >> why would you -- >> do me a favor don't show up once in every blue moon and think you're going to dominate my press conference. thank you very much. >> your agency >> at that same event christie down pladheffth romney's 47% comments racking it
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♪ a manho's old enough to do but young enoh to do♪ ♪t' tyou, it's up to you >> tough not to feel refreshed boo poll tiges a after that one. has any a big pl ithe pdel mpaign than mr. bill clinton, bubba? both president obama and mitt romney spoke at the clinton global initiative up in new york today and that's ahead. they're all genuflecting to the big guy, elvis. he's back. watching "hardball," the place for politics. if you are one of the millions of men who have used androgel 1%, if you are one of the he bewns of men presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and... onra ould lge
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what are you waiting for? this is big news.
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i'm sue herera with your cnbc market wrap. a late-day sell-off sinks stocks today. the dow drops 101 points.
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ths&p fls 15 a nasdaq loses 43. caterpillar slid citing the global economy and it was another rough day for facebook which lost more than 2%. meanwhile, september consumer confidence rose to i hst ve i snths and home prices ticked up for a sixth straight month in july, that according to the s&p case-shiller report. now back to chris and "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." one thing came through loud and clear today at thclinton global initiative up in new york, bill clinton is the m to see. he's the boss of the democratic party. he so influentialven t idf poe opposing party, mitt romney, took tame away to attend his big event. president obama, too, praised the former president. let's listen to president obama.
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>> i am grateful for your friendship and your extraordinary leaderip, and i think i spea forhent coyhen we say that you continue to be a great treasure for all of us. [ applause ] >> so what will the power of bill clinton mean for the 2012 election lking aad f six hlema is new york magazine national affairs editor and an msnbc contributor. and i must give you congratulations, john. i was out there with you, you and mark halperin wrote the book that picked up four, count them, four emmys this weekend, this sunday night. we all watched. it must bemazi to pof sw ncd that first hour or so of that show and then it got intellectual when you got up there. it was pretty pressive. congratulations. it's all part of television. susan page, thank you. i'm sure you'll get your emmy come day for front page reporting with "usa today." an sti ask you about a game i know you don't want to give
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away your next book. it seems bill clinton's speech in charlotte not only changed the political sort of feel but people gab to feel coming ou the of that according to some polling i have seen feeling better about the economy objectively. >> yes. >> tell me about that. >> tugor that speech. i think in a way even conservatives have ok nageed the speech was kind of a game changing moment in the election. he did two different things. i mean, he reallyid lay out the choice with incredible clarity. he laid out the argument for the facthat it reayefuta powerful, concrete way and answered the question that the obama campaign was having trouble answering, which was are you better off now tn you were four years ago. he said yes and let me show you why. that was huge. there's a lot of polling that suggested thathe bunch that nvon atll due to bill clinton. you now see him almost like a running mate if you look at the obama ads. you see obama ads across the country, president clinton is in almost all of the ones that are
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running heavily in the swing states right now, and they run -- the video runs ck-to-ckthendth ads. you see president clinton speaking, president obama speaking. it's almt as if they are running mates. that's how powerful the obama complain thinks bill clinton is as a kind of champion of the notion that in fact things are onheight track. rtit f the great o a daily show which won its tenth emmy i think the other night. here is jon stewart and he talked about -- it was an understated reference to clinton tour de force in crlotte. >> seny g speeches lately? >> susan, that is now so well-known that that speech was so good that all stewart, who is brilliant at this, just tees that. >> you know, it's really remaable. remember, these are two men, barack obama and bill ton, who, you know, have a history and not a good one. they have a history as being
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rivals, some bitterness from the primary battle four years ago, and yet if president obama wins a second term, some of the credit is going to go to bill clinton, and you saw in the d minutes" on sunday, he said here is a quality i admire in presidents i have studied who are successful, persistence, it's an underrated virtue. who do you think he was talking about. there's no person in public life who has been more psistt bcln gng knocked down and getting right back up. >> and that is the key. oliver wendell holmes said you can't change everything in your life, but you can have a big heart, you can keep trying. this sunday bill clinton was noncommittal in his way on whether hilla wil ro 2016. he left no doubt that he thinks she's in the right job now and, of course, we know what he's thinking about the future. let's watch him in action. >> i just don't know. she's an extraordinarily able person. i never met anybody i thought
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was a better pubc rvanut ha n earthly idea what she'll decide to do. >> you know he's really good at that. john, i just -- i fd him so fascinating to watch. just to listen to him and his iq must be in the 200 range and he's there saying what he knows he has to say, don't speak for hehe autonomous figure, happened to be married to him, but she's a politician in her own right. don't preclude anything she does t i thought it was very much a cheerful message about her. >> well, look, infrastructure clearly wants his wife to run i don't think there's any doubt about that. i spent the day todayver a cgdre a of the old clinton network around that operation. you talk to those folks, there's a lot of people who want her to run. they don't have any doubt that president clinton wants her to run, that he thinks she would be a great president, he thinks she's been a gat secretary of state. i think president clion is speanghe truth whene d'tnoathe'soing to do. i think she has made a very conscious decision, even with the people closest around her, to say i'm not talking about
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that right now, i'm not thinking about that now. i want to take some time off. i think the question becomes a year from now whenhe's aad 5in and she's seen as being the only one who can raise the kind of money you would need to be able to run, whether she if she decides to get in, she clears the field with anyone else. i don't see any other democrat in position to take her on. >> speaking from my native state, pennsylvania, shaeld win wi 70% agnstanybody. les ta a lat hpe tobee i think at the global initiative i think she's trying to do very subtly a little help to the president. here she is talking away about i am balan of power and the wealth and the elite, how they don't carry their weight around the world in a way she's very supportive of what the presint has been say being taxness th issues that i have been preaching about around the world is collecting taxes in an equitable manner, especially from the elites in every country. u know, i'm out of american
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politics, but it is a fact that around the world the elites of every country are making money. there are rich people everywhere, and yet no contribute to the growth of their own countries. >> so susan, was she talking about argentina, borneo, or the go old u.s. of a. i think she was doing some home consumption there. >> that doesn't seem like such a subtle message to me. i assume hiary intoun foeaechy shodn't she? any man in that situation would be running. joe biden is talking about running, and, you know, here is a change from four years ago. four years ago when she ran we thought of bill clinton as a mixed blsing, a guy who carried some baggage. whatoe think we'll think abouhim fou y. itms m he's going to be probably a total asset for her if and when she decides to make another bid. >> we'll see. you know, he's always the
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comeback kid and he always has to be. so maybe he's made his final comeback. it's an awful big one. you're right, susan,ut you never kn. hniln,usge ank u both. up next, today is national voter registration day. couldn't be more important given all this voter suppression out there. let's find out how the democrats are fighting back again that republican effort in so many states, 17 of them suppress the minority vote. this ishardball," the place for politi. nk iwaything. d i n jwo'taw i was spotting, but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they coulde early warning signs of a gynecologic cancer, such as cervical, ovarian, or uterine cancer. feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember. rnsiart e same for everyone. if you think something's wrong... see your doctor. ask about gynecologic cancer. and get the inside knowledge. oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my cceptce speech. reatitlwgo tveacpl
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w cannot let anyone discourage ufrom casting our ballots. we cannot let anyone make us feel unwelcome in the voting boot itupo make sure that in every election, every voice is heard and every vote is counted. that means making sure our laws preserve that right. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." that was michelle obama speaking at the congressial black cauc thiurt. waer to the concerted effort since 2010 of course to make it more difficult to vote, especially minoritiemi. this map shows the 17 states where laws have been passed since then making it tougher to vote now than it was in the last -- harder than the last eltion. so this year is or portant that everyone who is eligible to vote i think get registered to vote and fight for that right to vote. today is national voter reg strikes day in this country. it's a two-pronged effort to get people register nded and make sure people know what sorts of documentation they need to vote rkelthe president of ier.
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the urban league and sponsored the national voter registration day, victoria is an nbc latino contributor. i wt to talk, mark, thank you so much for coming on. here is your chance to makthe case to people who might be llne dur usthey've heard about disillusioned or discouraged because they heard of the sue expressi suppression. >> let's not be discouraged, pushed back, even though there's been a tremendou effort to make it more difficult for people to vote. we want to encrage people to ant to encourage people who believe they are registered to check their reg registration, make sure they know what the requirements are. 17 statesassed law. of 17 states where lha beas w waged a vigorous effort to stop those laws in their tracks. this is about democracy and this is about the right to vote.
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we shouldn't make it more difficult. we should make it simple and clear and plain for people to be able to register and participate in decrac ct, lalbo latino and latino vote and the feelings they as minorities facing this onslaught of new days, new dates, closed doors, closed windows to voting. >> it's a steep hurdle for millions of peop. les ele p laws. 60% of latinos do not have the requisite documents to vote with a photo i.d., compare that to 6% of nonlife latinos. >> ralid,orne - >> absolutely. >> what reason would they have for not having it, a photo i.d. card? >> first of all, the cost of getting that identification. here in texas where they tri to pass a strgent rule it' vear godmv if
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you're a rural latino voter. they say, it's a free photo i.d. what they don't tell you, it costs you up to $22 to get a birth certificate in order to get that free photo i.d. one way ort other -- >> it'sike p tax? >> exactly. >> it is a poll tax. >> exactly a poll tax. >> let me ask you about this -- the -- do you have a sense, mark, whether this was -- i don't know if conspiracy is the right wordut concerted effort thete a the democrats weren't watching the candy store when all these people got elect. were they all working together when this -- >> this was an orchestrated, planned attack. an orchestrated planned avalanche that took place. giivha council who were behind this. you had large numbers of people who determine that it was part of the 2012 strategy to make it more difficult for people to vote. we need to understand that there
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have been scant cases of voter impersonation inhis country, that have turne. tha tioo f prlem. this is a set of legislative initiatives behind a phoney smoke screen of voter fraud. we want people to understand what it is. we want people to be informed. we want people to vote. >> here's congressman -- the great congressman john wis, w talking at voter registration event in georgia today, encouraging people to fight voter suppression. he's been great on this. let's listen. >> there are forces in america today, not just in the american south, but all across our land, th is yioakar and difficult for people to register and vote, for people to cast their vote. for all across america tay, members of the congressional ack caucus at this hour and later during the day, ardoin the same thing.
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but we have 44 members in each congressional district. we have until what, october 9th? to get people registered. >> , victoria, it seems to me the worst thing that could come of this con certifieded effort of 17 states to try to close the door to americans and legitimate voters is people s no to themselves. i was at howard to the commencement, i said to the ds, don't ever s no to yourself. af mpe - mark, they would say, this is going to be the biggest pain in the butt, too complicated, i'm not going to go this year, even if it's obama. is that a danger out there, they'll be intimidated out of voting? >> it's a danger. the irony of its iate' no using technological advances to automate our systems. a handful of states have used automated registration systems where i can go online and register to votes. the bulk of the states are going in i retrogress of manners.
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this is most frurating to m onhi o national voter registration. >> chris, you know, there are many of us across the nation who have campaigns and efforts. ours is called occy the vote. we have a website that provides information that people need. we have a hot line people can go to at 1-866-vote-one. we need everyone tt loves freedom, understands democracy and understands that voting is the foundation of democracy, to get out there and make sure people are not frusated ws message out, too, almost as much as you. thank you, mark of urban league and victoria, who work with us. we'll be right back in a minute. americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, ey've been committed to putting clies firs since hpienioise financial was tghghes back in 1894, good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them.
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let me finish with this. we've said it before and we'll say it again. the republican party should be ashamed of trug to suppress vong o african-americans. 17 states have required more documents or shut down voting opportunities. it's a multistate effort you have to be wonder is run out of the national republican committee itself. not, they might get out there and think about condemning it. i think that will happen when hell freezes over. puanontrled ganizedampans legislatures at the state level with the single ambition to cut down on voting by african-americans and other minorities. in some cases the courts have been able to stop